All I want to do is look at the
scriptures and what is said in them. It is easy
for some to make their interpretations on these verses. I ask that
you look at
what is said and put all biases aside and look at the scriptures.
If you disagree, that is fine but show me how that these
scriptures say other than what
I have indicated. I want you to look at these and then show how that
they say
different than indicated. With that said, continue on with the
scriptures.
Revelation 3: 5 - 6
I thought I would start with one of the most clear cut verses in the
Bible on
the issue of Eternal Security. This message was not to
unbelievers but to the
church, and it is clear beyond a shadow of doubt that a believer’s
name can be
blotted out of the Book of Life.
5. "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will
not blot his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his
name before my
Father, and before his angels.
6. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the
churches.
Facts:
If a person's name was not able to be blotted out to start with then
this
statement would not exist.
Since it is the "churches" that is being addressed then it is
obvious that a
lost person is not being addressed in this verse.
Why warn about something that would not be possible?
Hebrews 10: 26 - 30
26. "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge
of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27. "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery
indignation, which
shall devour the adversaries.
28. "He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or
three
witnesses;
29. "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought
worthy, who
hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood
of the
covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath
done despite
unto the Spirit of grace?
30. "For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I
will
recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his
people.
FACTS:
In Vs.26, the writer is including himself in the verse "we",
not speaking to
lost.
In Vs.29, this person was "sanctified by the blood", not
speaking to the lost.
In Vs.30, the Lord is judging who? "His People", not speaking
to the lost.
I also want to give you some Scriptures that deal with what
constitutes a
"knowledge of the truth" as indicated in Vs.26; John 8:32, 1Timothy
2:4, & 4:3,
2Timothy 2:25, Titus 1:1, 1John 2:21, and 2John 1, and there are
many more.
The facts indicate clearly who is being addressed in this passage.
God will not
force anyone to serve Him, allowing each of us with our freedom of
willful
choice to obey and serve His commands.
This freedom was clearly demonstrated
when a third of the angels in heaven chose to follow Lucifer.
We walk away from the gift of God, He does not take it from us.
Only God knows when we cross that line, but until then the Spirit
will not cease to convict and seek to draw that person back into the
fold of God. God is Love, but God is Just also and will not allow
you to choose sin and Quench the Spirit (1Thess. 5:19), and still
enter heaven.
1 Corinthians 10: 1 - 15
1. Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, that
all our
fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,
2. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3. And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4. And did all drink the same spiritual drink; for they drank of
that spiritual
Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
5. But with many of them God was not well pleased; for they were
overthrown in
the wilderness.
6. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not
lust after
evil things, as they also lusted.
7. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written,
The people
sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and
fell in one
day three and twenty thousand.
9. Neither let us tempt the Lord, as some of them also tempted him,
and were
destroyed by serpents.
10. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were
destroyed by the
destroyer.
11. Now all these things happened unto them for examples, and they
are written
for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12. Wherefore, let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he
fall.
13. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man;
but God is
faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are
able, but
will, with the temptation, also make a way to escape, that ye may be
able to
bear it.
14. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15. I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
Again I want to present the facts of these verses and you must
decide what they
say;
FACTS:
Vs. 1 - Paul is clearly speaking to "brethren"
Vs. 2 - Paul says that they were " All baptized", not
unbelievers
Vs. 3 - They "All" ate of the "spiritual meat",
not
unbelievers
Vs. 4 - They "All" drank of the "spiritual drink", which was
"Christ", not
unbelievers
Vs. 5 - They were "overthrown"
Vs. 6 - They were "examples" that God’s people can lust after "evil
things" to
the point of their destruction
Vs. 7 - It is possible for "us" to become "idolaters"
Vs. 8 - It is possible for "us" to commit "fornication"
Vs. 9 - We are told that if "we" put the Lord to the test He will
destroy us
Vs.11 - Again we are told that this is an "example" for us to heed
Vs.12 - We are told that "we" can fall
Vs.13 - God will give us a way out of sin, but "we" must take that
way out, He
will not force us out of the situation
Vs.14 - We are again admonished to "flee from idolatry", why if we
can not lose
anything?
Several points need to be made, but again, you must decide if the
evidence
supports the belief. If we look at these verses in the perspective
that you
cannot lose your salvation, then there are some
glaring questions that need to
be asked; for example, Why would this be given as an example and
stressed that
it is an example twice for "brethren"
if it were not possible for the things
described to happen? Why, speaking to "brethren"
does Paul say that we can fall?
How can this section of Scripture be explained away as not speaking
to the
church, then WHO?
Matthew 25: 1 - 12
1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, who
took their
lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with
them;
4. But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom
cometh; go ye
out to meet him.
7. Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our
lamps are
gone out.
9. But the wise answered, saying, Not so, lest there be not enough
for us and
you; but go rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that
were ready
went in with him to the marriage; and the door was shut.
11. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open
to us.
12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
FACTS:
Vs. 1 - They are all called "virgins",
no where does it say they only claimed to
be virgins. They are all going to meet the bridegroom; the lost
will not be
doing so.
Vs. 2 - They are called "foolish" but never said
not to be virgins
Vs. 7 - Again they "all" go out to meet the bridegroom. NOTICE; in
vs. 7-8 that
they "ALL" trimmed their lamps and that even the foolish virgin's
lamps were
lit. They said that they "went out", which is
impossible if they were not lit to
start with! We know that the "lamp" or "light" represents our
witness according
to Matt. 5: 14-16.
Vs. 8 - They will realize as with all Christians that are just going
through the
motions that they are not prepared to meet the Lord.
MATTHEW 25: 14 - 30
14. For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling into a far
country, who
called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to
another one, to
every man according to his ability; and straight way took his
journey.
16. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with
the same,
and made other five talents.
17. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and
hid his
lord’s money.
19. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and
reckoneth with
them.
20. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other
five
talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents;
behold, I have
gained beside them five talents more.
21. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful
servant; thou hast
been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many
things. Enter
thou into the joy of thy lord.
22. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou
deliveredst
unto me two talents; behold, I have gained two other talents beside
them.
23. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant;
thou hast been
faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things.
Enter thou
into the joy of thy lord.
24. Then he that had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I
knew thee,
that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and
gathering where
thou hast not strawed,
25. And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth; lo,
there thou
hast what is thine.
26. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful
servant, thou
knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not
strawed?
27. Thou oughtest, therefore, to have put my money to the
exchangers, and then,
at my coming, I should have received mine own with usury.
28. Take, therefore, the talent from him, and give it unto him who
hath ten
talents.
29. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have
abundance;
but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he
hath.
30. And cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness; there
shall be
weeping and gnashing of teeth.
FACTS:
Vs. 14 - They are all called "his own servants"
Vs. 18 - He buried "his lord’s money"
Vs. 21 - "His Lord" said...
Vs. 23 - "His Lord" said...
Vs. 24 - The third servant says "I knew thee"
Vs. 26 - "His Lord" answered... Also did not say he was not a
servant, just a
"wicked and slothful" one.
Vs. 27 - The lord still considered that he would have received "his
own" which
would have been this servant had he obeyed his Lord.
If the Lord had intended for us to take this parable to mean that
two of the
servants belonged to him and one did not, would he have not
made it very clear?
In fact, just the opposite occurs here, he very distinctly indicates
in the
beginning and throughout that they were all "his" servants.
The wicked one did
not obey what he knew the lord had wanted him to do,
and as a result he did not
cease to be called a servant, but he did however lose the
servant’s reward. He
knew what he was doing and chose to follow his own way instead of
what the lord
had directed. He therefore gave up his reward and lost his
position as a
"faithful" servant and became a "wicked and slothful" servant, and
therefore
obtained the reward due that position. Even though the third servant
was still
called a servant, his outcome was not the same.
Matthew 13: 3-9 & 18-23
3: And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a
sower went
forth to sow;
18: Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
4: And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls
came and
devoured them up:
19: When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth
it not, then
cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his
heart. This
is he which received seed by the way side.
5: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and
forthwith
they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had
no root,
they withered away.
20: But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he
that heareth
the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21: Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for
when
tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he
is
offended.
7: And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked
them:
22: He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth
the word; and
the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the
word, and he
becometh unfruitful.
8: But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an
hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
23: But he that received seed into the good ground is he that
heareth the word,
and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth,
some an
hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
9: Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Facts
Vs. 19 - The "WORD" is the seed which is known as the message of
Salvation- the
Gospel message. It also states that this "seed" or "Word" was sown
into the
heart and received. Regardless of the pretense it was received which
is not ours
to decide anyhow, the fact is that it was sown into the
heart and received. That
does not denote a person who rejects the word or was
"not saved to start with."
In each case it is said that they "Received"
this seed so it is not the reader's
option to dispute that fact. Unfortunately, there are a select few
in the
"eternal security" ranks that
would presume to know the condition of the
person's heart in each of these cases and feel they have the right
to say that
this person was only pretending to "RECEIVE" this seed. If
one honestly reads
this account it is not the matter of whether the seed was
received or not but
what was done with it after that. I believe it is a very
good description of the
local churches today that refuse to cultivate the seeds in their
midst, and
instead are more concerned with how many they can get
into their fancy
buildings.
Vs. 22 - This particular incident shows that not only was the Seed
Received but
was producing "Fruit" at
one time. It could not very well become "unfruitful" if
it was never producing fruit to start with. Can someone please
tell me how a
lost person can produce fruit? Keep in mind that this fruit
is a spiritual
evidence of a spiritual experience within. A lost person cannot bear
fruit and
therefore it is not a valid argument to say that this person was not
saved to
start with. The fruit bearing is contingent upon the amount of
cultivation that
is done in each heart and that cultivation can only be accomplished
by time in
the Word and Prayer and being discipled.
LUKE 12: 42 - 48
42. And the Lord said, Who, then, is that faithful and wise steward,
whom his
lord shall make ruler over his household, to give him his portion of
meat in due
season?
43. Blessed is that servant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall
find so doing.
44. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all
that he
hath.
45. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his
coming; and
shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and
drink, and to be
drunk,
46. The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not
for him, and
at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and
will appoint
him his portion with the unbelievers.
47. And that servant, who knew his lord’s will, and prepared not
himself,
neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many
stripes.
48. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be
beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him
shall be much
required; and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask
the more.
FACTS:
Vs. 42 - Establishes who is spoken of, "the steward"
Vs. 45 - Still speaking of the same servant, that he turns from his
ways
(voluntarily)
Vs. 46 - The lord of "that servant", places him in the category with
"unbelievers"
Vs. 47 - The servant "knew his lord’s will", but did not "OBEY"
it, willingly
It cannot be any clearer than the example that Jesus left with this
parable,
that a person can know what is the right thing to do and not do it,
and pay the
penalty later. It is clear that the servant was a faithful servant
but turned
his back on his lord and the result was to be placed with the
unbelievers in the
judgment. How can this parable be explained other than the facts of
what it
says?
JOHN 15: 1 - 6
1. I AM the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2. Every branch in me
that beareth not fruit he taketh away;
and every branch
that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more
fruit.
3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of
itself, except
it abide in the vine, no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5. I am the vine, ye are the branches. He that abideth in me, and I
in him, the
same bringeth forth much fruit; for without me ye can do nothing.
6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast
forth as a branch, and is withered; and
men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
FACTS:
Vs. 2 - The branch that beareth not fruit is "taken away",
NOTICE where the
branch is to start with.... "In me".
Vs. 6 - The branch that is not producing fruit is cast into the
"fire", the
entire section is talking about the vine and branches, and it is
clear that the
branch is "in Christ" and if it does not bear fruit, it will be cast
into the
fire.
The facts are clear that the branch was
"in him" but did not bear fruit and was
therefore cast into the "fire".
ROMANS 11: 16 - 22
16. For if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy; and if
the root be
holy, so are the branches.
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a
wild olive
tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the
root and
fatness of the olive tree,
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest
not the
root, but the root thee.
19. Thou wilt say, then, The branches were broken off, that I might
be grafted
in.
20. Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou
standest by faith.
Be not highminded, but fear;
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he
also spare not
thee.
22. Behold, therefore, the goodness and severity of God: on them who
fell,
severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his
goodness; otherwise
thou also shalt be cut off.
FACTS :
Vs. 21 - It is clear that the grafted in ones, if not obedient would
not be
spared
Vs. 22 - It is clear that this grafting in is conditional "if
thou continue",
and it is also clear that if you do not continue then you
will be "cut off". To
try to make this say other than it does is twisting the Scripture to
make it fit
a doctrinal belief. It is very clear cut as the others to this point
have been
also. Please put aside any teaching from the past and look simply at
what the
Scriptures indicate. Do not read into them, but simply look at the
facts
presented in the Scripture alone.
1 TIMOTHY 4: 1 - 3
1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that, in the latter times, some
shall
depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and
doctrines of devils,
2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a
hot iron,
3. Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which
God hath
created to be received with thanksgiving by them who believe and
know the truth.
FACTS :
Vs. 1 - "some shall depart from the faith",
how can someone depart from the
faith if they were not saved to start with? What are the
implications of
departing from the faith?
Vs. 2 - They have their "conscience seared", they depart from the
truth they
knew and follow the deceit.
NOTE: If they depart from the "faith" then they have no part of it,
which only
leaves the alternative.
HEBREWS 6: 4 - 6
4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,
and have tasted of
the heavenly gift , and were made partakers of the
Holy Spirit,
5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world
to come,
6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto
repentance, seeing they
crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open
shame.
FACTS :
Vs. 4 - What does it mean that they were "enlightened"? I believe
the answer to
that is in the rest of the verse. They have "tasted of the heavenly
gift", what
gift could that be? SALVATION!!
The proof of that is in the next statement, they
"were made partakers of the Holy Spirit",
A lost person cannot partake of the
Holy Spirit, you receive the Spirit ( become a
partaker) when you are saved (
Ephesians 1:13).
Vs. 5 - They have "tasted" the Word, and the "powers", can a lost
person know
what it is to "taste or partake" of the Word? Can a lost person know
the
"powers" of the Spirit?
Vs. 6 - "If they shall fall away", Fall away from what? How can they fall away
if they are not saved to start with? "Renew them
again unto repentance", it is
clear that they have already repented according to this statement;
Isn’t
repentance part of the Salvation process? Why
would they need to repent again if they were never saved to start
with? "Crucify to themselves the Son of God
afresh", how could this happen
to a lost person? Jesus is crucified for our
sins, so does it make sense that a lost person could not repent and
accept the
crucifixion of Christ? "And put him to open shame", How could a lost
person be
responsible for putting Jesus to open shame? They are not a
representative of
Him, does it make sense that they could put Him to shame and not
belong to Him?
It is clear by looking at the preceding chapter and verses 11-14
that Paul is
not talking to the lost, but to immature Christians
that were in danger of
falling into this category.
1 CORINTHIANS 11: 28 - 32
28. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread,
and drink
of that cup.
29. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily,
eateth and drinketh damnation to
himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
30. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many
sleep.
31. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we
should not be
condemned with the world.
FACTS :
Vs. 28 - Why would there be a need to "examine" oneself,
if
there were no chance
to lose your salvation?
Vs. 29 - There is no question that Paul is addressing Christian
brothers, and he
states that they could bring "damnation"
upon themselves. How can that be
possible?
Vs. 32 - This verse clearly states that the Lord "chastens" us so
that "we
should not be condemned with the world", where does it say in that
verse that we
CANNOT be condemned with the world?
JOHN 8: 31 & OTHERS
31. Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If ye
continue in my
word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
FACTS :
Vs. 31 - Why would Jesus put a conditional clause to this directive?
If you
could never lose your salvation, then there would be no need to
issue a
condition. Look at the following verses in the book of John
that have the same
condition placed by Jesus: 8:51, 12:26, 14:15,23,
15:6,7,10, & 14.
Before we get into the misconceptions, I would like to look at
another
Scripture, Ezekiel 3: 17-21; in verses 17-19 Ezekiel is exhorted to
warn the
wicked that they will die in their sins if they do not change. But I
want to
look at verses 20-21;
20. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness,
and commits
iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die;
because thou
hast not given him warning, he shall die in his
sin, and his righteousness which
he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I
require at thine
hand. 21. Nevertheless, if thou warn the
righteous man, that the righteous sin
not , and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because
he is warned; also thou
hast delivered thy soul.
What does it mean that "his righteousness shall not be remembered"?
I believe
the same applies to Christians today. This scripture proves that you
can not
only get caught up in unrighteousness, but that if you do not turn
from those
ways, all that righteousness will not be remembered.
COMMON MIS-CONCEPTIONS
IT IS EASY TO LOSE YOUR SALVATION:
Nothing could be farther from the truth; in fact I believe it is a
process that
takes time, that only God knows when that line is crossed. This is a
view that
Eternal Security believer’s invented
to make their view more credible. I believe
that we are given several examples of how that process takes place
and the
extent that a person must go through to reach a dangerous level.
The first example is David in 2 Samuel 11; David had gotten
himself in a situation that
eventually escalated into a very serious matter. He seen Bathsheba,
lusted after
her, got her pregnant, had her husband killed, married her, and
showed no signs
of repentance. God finally sent the prophet Nathan to rebuke David,
which caused
him to repent.
We also have the story of the Prodigal Son in Luke 15, how that
this son took his journey into the realms of sin, leaving the
father. He came to his senses after living in sin and came back
and repented.
Then there is the story of Lot also, and what about his wife?
Didn't God say that He was only going to save the "Righteous"
out of Sodom? In none of these stories are we told of the other
side; what would have happened if they had decided to stay in the
situation they were in (like Lot's wife)?
Peter denied the Lord, but what if he had not repented? Did not
each of these individuals have a choice to either repent or
not? Did they have the choice to continue in the path they
were on?
These questions are not foundations to stand on for this belief; the
previous scriptures contain that. These questions only confirm the
great Mercy of God and the fact that God will take a person
back, but that person has to willingly repent and turn back to God.
God will not take the individual choice away from a person to remain
in sin. Just as we have the choice to accept the
great gift of God’s salvation, we also have the choice to OBEY the
standards set out to keep it.
As I mentioned at the start of this study, the angels of God have
the same choice, and that was demonstrated in the fall of Lucifer
and the third of his fellow angels that followed him.
They had everything they could want and
turned their back on it and God, and chose to follow Lucifer and
forfeit what they had.
I believe the same principle applies with this belief; A person can
accept Jesus
and be saved, and God does not take their choice away from them at
that point.
They still are as susceptible to sin and can still choose to follow
it instead
of Jesus. I think God will make every effort to bring them back into
the family,
such as sending Nathan’s your way , but it is
ultimately their decision to turn
back or not.
We know for a fact that Christians can get caught up in sin, read
1
Corinthians. To evaluate what the implications of Eternal Security
consists of
you need to ask a question; If it is impossible to
lose your salvation, then
where is the choice in serving God? I can not buy the
excuse that if a person is
truly born again they will not indulge in sinful activities; as I
stated
earlier, read about the examples of those I listed, and 1
Corinthians, and the
Scripture references. Their is ample proof that "saved" people will
get caught
up in sin, the question is; is there a consequence
for continuing in sin? There
is no reason to
strive for Holiness, or Sanctification, if you follow the
Eternal Security road. There ceases to be a price for
disobedience. There ceases
to be a need for choice anymore. What there is in the Eternal
Security realms is
a large number of Lukewarm
Christians, with little or no regard to the scaring
of the name of Christ that is happening.
IT IS A WORKS BASED SALVATION :
This is again the farthest thing from the truth. Salvation is solely
based on a
person’s Belief in the finished work of the cross, Repentance for
sins, and
acceptance of Christ to come and rule and reign in their heart.
Obeying the
commands of the infallible Word of God from that point on to the
best of your
ability follows conversion.
Works are the product of Obedience to
God’s
directives. Again, this is another tactic by
Eternal Security believers to make
their view credible. It is a matter of not being obedient; not how
many works
are evident. If a person is not obedient there
will not be any works, that is a pretty simple deduction.
It is not a matter of works that we keep our salvation but is wholly
a matter of obedience. If we are obedient to Him then all the works
will follow.
I would like to take this time to explain what I consider to be the
dangers of
both views. The Eternal Security view is dangerous in the main
aspect that it
gives the false impression that a Christian can do whatever they
want without
fear of any retribution. The only retribution they consider is
that there will
be no rewards when they get to heaven.
Is that really retribution? Is that any
deterrent to living any way they please? The danger I believe in
this view, not
only that it is not Biblical, but that
it gives the believer a sense (whether
intended or not) that they have a license
to sin. (Lascivious grace)
The dangers of the belief in losing your salvation are; the thought
that one sin
and you are lost and repent and you are saved again. Salvation
should never be
based on fear, but on the respect and reverence of a Just God. God
does not want
us to serve Him out of fear, but out of Love, and Obedience.
God does not want
"robots" either that is
why our choice is never taken away to "Obey
or not". As
mentioned before, the fact of losing one’s salvation is not a
simple thing, and
should not be treated lightly. My contention has always been and
always will be
that if you teach Christians to live for God with all their heart
and the best
they can on a daily basis; then neither side of this conflict
becomes an issue.
Other verses to consider. . .
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions
of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus
Christ, they are again entangled therein, and
overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the
way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn
from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was
washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Col:1:23: If ye continue in the faith grounded and
settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye
have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under
heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1Tm:1:19: Holding
faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away
concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Heb 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed
to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should
let them slip.
Heb 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every
transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so
great salvation;

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